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tee hee.

I have never been able to bend and take it.

I need lots of foreplay and to be relaxed and comfortable with the guy and for him to make me relax
to take it which means I only do that once every few years ! At one stage didnt take it for about 15 years. Recently tried it 3 times but I kept choosing big ones
and they were definately an OUCH ! and was not comfortable at all.

Have always enjoyed the foreplay much more.

I hope to have fun at the party.It will be nice to met a hot boy> Please come and ask me my name

I've been hoping for that to happen to me for about 20 years and nothing ?

I am 35 and you?
I am sure that you are not plain at all...
Do not wait. Please make sure to show your interest to someone you like.
Do not be shy, You will be surprise( be confident).
My MOTO If I want I can.
I really hope to see you at the party...

That have to make it obvious to me Nicolas otherwise I dont make the move on them.

when your plain you just dont have the confidence to make the first move.

the plain one?
just what exactly is plain?

Hey Boss , there it is , The plain the plain the plain ... there it is !!!! The plain the plain the plain ...

Darling, with enough E, nobody is plain!

I will be at the right corner of the rhi with my friends.

"I will be at the right corner of the rhi with my friends."

The RIGHT corner depends on your timing

See Nicolas

when yr plain like me even other posters take the p*ss
out of you.

What is plain ? average bod, average cock, very average looks.
Not hot, not cute, not spunky.
Dont think I am ugly.

So yes plain.

Plain does not exist.
this is just a question of perception.
See you on the dance floor.

There is always someone worse off than you are. You say you're not ugly. So what about ugly people? How do you think they cope? So cheer up! You're only plain!

HAPPY MARDI GRAS. ENJOY BOYS

Nobody's plain or ugly after a few e's.

Wait for the 3am - 4am walk around then you will see....

no ones plain....
everyone has some attractive features,
or do you mean plain as in not blonde,under 23 with abs?

I had sex with hot and average buddies
I had great time with both.

It's having sex with plain people as they are so grateful for the attention.

"It's having sex with plain people as they are so grateful for the attention"

I think you're mistaken. Those people having sex with you are actually fulfilling their community service commitments for the week.

No no no

didnt you read my earlier post.

I have found the really good looking ones are DUDS

so nothing to be thankful for !

Hahahahahahahahahahaaaa


well I wish someone would fulFILL me

could do with a good ****

Have a great time at the party.

see you on the dancefloor and maybe more?

hope to see happy people for a safe night.

Valentine's day coming up.

This is one wallflower that has never received any flowers

I was stunned to discover recently that my boyfriend (aged 36) had never received flowers in the whole of his life! He was completely blown over to get some! It was the easiest (and nicest) thrill to give him.

Well got another decade on him Paul D.

I could cry, I could just cry sometimes.

So how do you meet guys nowadays ? if you dont go to the bars ?

I was warned off gaydar. Tried all the other similar sites but is it me or are all those internet sites filling up with weirdos/freaks/email bashers/insecure types ?

If they are married or bi , 90% state they are bottoms and dont kiss/cuddle/reciprocate.
If you get a reply sent at 2 or 3 or 4am, forget them as they probably whacked off and went to bed and dont reply.
They lie about themselves ? why ? a couple of hook ups were gym toned guys. One turned up got undressed and there was the gut ! must have seen me look and said "oh havent trained for 6 months". Another sent pic coming out of water. Turned up and said " oh the pic is 2years old".......... everyone knocks a few years off and can accept that but lying about your body shape and/or cock is just plain embarrassing when you turn up.

Then there are those that agree to meet up and sms/email 15mins before to say still at work.......or dont show then send email with the sorry stuck in traffic line.

Then the email bashers are another category ! start off emailing nicely then turn ! start calling names etc and then denying they are bi. I told one was going to report him and he emailed back all apologetic etc but didnt reply and left him hanging wondering if he was being reported.

So have given up on the internet sites as came to one conclusion. No matter how good looking, no matter how big the cock, no matter how good a blow job they promise to give there is one thing the internet cannot show and that is chemistry.

And so I have started exploring the saunas but as I live outside Sydney cannot visit as often as want to but so far its thumbs up for the one in sussex st and the chemistry thing works.......... ie catch the other persons eye they either hold the look or look away but there is no real talk just whip the towel off and one of you is on your knees doing the deed.

So where to go where you can have some talk with the coffee and sex following ?

Well, probably most men have never received flowers! It's still very much a women thing. And I'm amazed at how much importance women attach to them.

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Happy Valentines Day
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Happy Valentine's Day to you "The Plain One".....

It's the plain one's who have all the fun.....

you better not be two timing Noisy Gypsy

Yes, happy Valentine's Day to you too (Not) Plain One. I think it's true - there's someone for everyone - if you're only able to see it! I have seen many instances in which suddenly people decide that they're ready for a relaionship and - bang! - someone drops right in their lap. You might be next!

Well no flowers

no smiles

no nothing

Plain One, I think you're just determined to sit in the corner weeping quietly into your hankie! What events are you going to in the MG Festival? How are you going to meet that kind, gentle, funny man with a good honest face who'se waiting out there for you?

Hahaha

no Paul D am not the weeping in the hankie " oh wow is me type"
I just know where I stand in the scheme of things - a wallflower.
Not good looking/not overweight/not muscled/not hairy, just sit squarely in the middle and so always get overlooked......... yeah sounds sad saying it like that but hey , thats me.
Average looks/average bod/average cock.

I have lots of great friends and will only be going to Fair Day and the Party this year. Normally add in some movies and/or show but quite a few have started new jobs etc so its not worked out this year to do anything more and would never step out on my own.

Went to Fair Day.

Was great, lots of people, lots and lots of dogs. Great atmosphere although drag shows completely lost all effect in broad daylight ( for me anyway ).

But the guy with the free hugs sign just kept on walking past me

I have been thinking about how a few of my teenage friends a few years younger than me seem to be dating a male friend in much the same way that some guys date girls and they start at a younger age. They go together to the same places with their straight friends. They aren’t learning from other gay guys anymore and don’t follow their pattern of promiscuity. Have other people noticed this?

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Craiag

lots of teenagers have been doing that and not just
recently.

I know plenty of gay guys and including me who go out with straight friends to movies/dinner/bbq's/weddings etc and I dont mean I am friends with females. Its mostly straight guys.

I work with guys in the 20's who dont go near Oxford St . Not afraid of it, just dont need it.

I know a guy in early 30's who had no idea what Fair Day is !!!!!!!!!!!!! just never moved in the gay circles of Oxford St or parties etc.

Sure decades ago it they/we would be in the minority of hanging out with straights etc but nowadays there are quite a few who happily mix it up with all and sundry.

Sounds like an excellent development - steady partnerships, acceptance by friends (and hopefully family), a flat with a cat, meals at home - what could be better (and healthier) than that?

"Disease carriers may be detained without charge.
People carrying dangerous diseases and sexually transmitted infections, such as HIV, could be detained without charge and forced to undergo medical treatment under legal changes.
Those affected could be banned from venues such as nightclubs, public baths or bars and have to submit to supervision or face the threat of a $50,000 fine. They could also be forced to take antibiotics.
Dr Weeramanthri said the Bill was based on a principle of precaution; officials could act on suspicions faster.
You can't just use the lack of definitive evidence as an excuse for not acting. "
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23267278-421,00.html

Mmmm. Hmmmmm.
So what options are left to live one's life as a gay person? The vice is getting tigher. (Hey- even suicide is illegal)
If they want to tighten the vice on "vice", then at least allow us the option of steady relationships that are supported by legal recognition of equal marriage. At the moment it's like you don't know which way to turn, as all options are closing off, driving many to emptiness & isolation.

Some poz people are deliberately spreading the virus.
If we cannot control ourselves from harming others than yes I agree state control should be bought in.
Deliberately spreading HIV is murder plain and simple.

And please remember this is not aimed only at the gay community.

There have been a couple of cases that made the news of men infecting women.

In my mind this is along the lines of attempted murder and should be treated as such.

No excuses for any sexuality.

There needs to be some recourse for victims.

Just remember, if you don't know the person/people well enough to know their status (the other person/people may not even know their status themselves - does anybody really know if they have unsafe sex (until they're +ve)) you need to practice safe sex or accept the consequences. Please don't play the victim.

Well I look at it as anyone who has unsafe sex with unknown partners is a fucking idiot. Sorry it sounds harsh but my call.

I think you will find the posts are about those people who know they are + and deliberately infect someone.

Most of us would know someone who has been in that position.
I know a guy who never bottomed and his boyf came home one day and insisted on him being the bottom and deliberately infected him .
The guy I know is still alive, his boyf is not.

But I wouldnt need the law if someone like a trusted boyf did that to me. Would do my own justice on them.

Of course there will always be those instances where someone didnt know they were infected etc but comes down to the same thing, dont know them , them put a rubber on.

wat up bitches

Well the plain one is busting for Mardi Gras

Just day dreaming about a dreamy body coming up to me and making a pass to put a smile on my face it wont happen but no big deal. Dont want to waste valuable partying time cruising ( well thats my excuse and I am sticking to it ).

Have a great time guys - Nicholas, Paul D et al.

If you see me just mouth the words plain one. Dont worry there will only be 1 person at the party that you will be able to say that too......hahahahahahaaaa

I would like to know as well where to met other guys.
There used to be Steamworx in newcastle but it closed, now there dosent seem to be anyplace here at all.

I would appreciate it anyone could tell me if there is another place here.

I would like to know as well where to met other guys.
There used to be Steamworx in newcastle but it closed, now there dosent seem to be anyplace here at all.

I would appreciate it anyone could tell me if there is another place here.

Where else in the Newcastle area also, I'm moving there soon and would be interested to know?

have you tried
www.squirt.org

or

www.cruisingforsex.com

Hi see you on the dance floor, we should dance all night with all the boys and maybe a crusing time at some stage

See you on the dancefloor Plain one. I am sure at least 1 of the 20,000 attending will cruise and smile at you.

Nope, they didnt.

Oh well was fun with my friends.

Hey I've seen that guy...i think he's on macdonald st next the train line....damn hot guy flashing trains...i look forward to it every morning on the train..just before the train pulls up at erskineville station

What about the net? There are plenty of match-making/introduction websites out there. And they aren't illegal or dangerous like beats.

I would still suggest the personals section of Pinkboard as a good starting point. Biggest rule of all, be honest. If you were built like Arnie two years ago, but now look like Jason Alexander, admit it. At the same time, don't expect total honesty in the material you read. It's two-faced, I know, but there's plenty of mutton out there dressing up as lamb. But believe you me, when you find a worthwhile and honest piece of mutton, it's an excellent investment! If you want vain, high maintenance, skinny twinks, then say so, but make sure you have something to offer if you don't meet those same criteria--if only I could live through those years again secure in the knowledge of sexuality...

Professor you have hit the nail on the head.

I never did gaydar etc but joined a few of the others just to see how it went and the number of guys that just lied about their body shape or the size of their cock and/or age was amazing.

What you have to remember is there is someone out there for you so as you say, be HONEST.

There are boys who like boys, boys who like daddys, daddies who like boys, bears who like cubs, guys only into the beautiful ones, into fatties, thin etc.

I have though virtually given up on these sites due to the lies. 2 spring to mind - one guy said he was personal trainer etc came over, cute, took his shirt off and had a gut ! and I mean a gut! then said "oh havent trained for 6 months" then when he laid down on the bed he struck a pose with his biceps and said did I like his biceps ( think his email addy was to do with biceps) I almost laughed and nearly lost my hard on ! next guy sends pic of him coming out of the ocean and nice trim bod ( how I like them ) and hello !!!!!!!!!!!!! another gut and then says the pic was 2 years old. Of course the age thing is a laugh , most are either 29 or 39 and just learnt to add 5 years to what they say and then decide but after awhile just cancelled all of my profiles. You get hit up with so many messages/flirts/promises but they dont have the balls to go through with it.

As Professor said, best to try Pinkboard as at least you know they are gay and have the guts to visit gay sites instead of the other sites. My friends who used gaydar said it was good to start with but after awhile they all cancelled it.

Dont put in short ads like " bottom looking for a top" .
As that means you will bottom for anyones cock whether 19 or 70 , fat or thin, manly or girly.

So in your ad, state exactly what you are after, describe yourself honestly. Its better to get 1 email that is after what you have on offer than 20 emails with email ping pong asking questions and questions and then nothing happening. At one stage found myself checking my emails every 15mins for replies and stressing over it.

I find it incredibly sad that, as a society/community, we have reduced the worth of a man down to his body shape, cock size and age.

Whilst I do think honesty is the best policy, I can understand why guys bend the truth about the things that seem important to many: if you don't appear to fit the current trim/hung/youthful ideal then it's the only way to get a foot in the door, otherwise you run the risk of being left out in the cold. However, as I have heard on this forum, you're damned if you do (rejected when the truth outs) and damned if you don't (no one's interested to start with).

If we could broaden our ideas about what qualities make someone worthy of interaction (at whatever level), I think there would be less need to lie about who we really are.

And to the contributor who thought he was plain: it takes rare courage to admit to weaknesses or defects in a society that values the beautiful people; doesn't sound like you're plain on the inside.

There is no need to lie about your age. I've found that there are plenty of decent guys out there that don't care that much about how old you are, and the ones that think of age as the be all and end all, you'll find they are flakes and shallow, and you wouldn't want to know them anyway.

A big cock is nice as is a great body, but it's not everything, and if you can improve your body, do so. You like to dress well when going out, then do some gym to make yourself more attractive as well.

First impressions count of course, especially on the net, but the guys that can see beyond that are the cool ones, so don't worry about the rest, I've found most of those shallow and boring, and often rude and without manners...why waste your time on them? I certainly don't want to have sex with them, no matter how hot they look. They're a real turn-off.

So look at the positive...be honest, it can be a great filtering process, and the guys you do meet will have more substance.

Oh I am blushing.......................

I have not hesitation in stating I am average looks and/or plain, not the model type when I used to do those websites.

But to be honest I dont think its sad asking/stating your body/cock/age info. Thats the idea of these ads ie it paints a picture so to speak. Those that lie about themselves paint a different picture and so when they do turn up for a meeting they are "no oil painting" so to
speak.

I mean if you are out on the hunt , then it is at least age/body/face that you take in and decide whether its you or not, so no harm asking for that on the websites.

I just think honesty is the best policy. While those that are stunningly beautiful or have a really hung cock get more replies, you have to notice that they also still have the ads/profiles going so its no guarantee of being good looking and/or hung of meeting Mr Right. Well thats the way I look at it and what makes me feel good to know they are still on the hunt

The Plain Truth: It would be a wonderful world if we could all just type in a add that said "ANY" and people responded alike. Out in the real world, there are certain characteristics in people that we personally don't like. I'm nervous about people who will invite you into their homes, fuck you and then dump you out the front door again. I mean, if that's how I'm going to be treated, where's my $200 for services rendered?

If there's something that really turns me off a guy, it's dental hygiene. Black teeth just make me... er shudder.

I've admitted before that I have a few rolls of fat that I wish I could lose, and have unfortuantely found that those who like a bit of extra flesh on the bones don't appeal to me in personality. Maybe those sites need to split overweight into two sub-categories: Trying and Don't care. That way if a couple of "Tryings" get togethe,r and like each other, there could be a friendly rivalry/support factor in each getting back into shape.

If only eh Professor - good old fashioned honesty.

I have no problem inviting guys to my place, actually feel safer that way as its my environment and yep have fucked them and dumped them when no real chemistry there.

I do know what you mean about attraction. I am plain but I do keep myself in quite good shape as in 4-5 times per week gym etc ie trying to balance out the non-looks with a decent bod but as you say the types that are into me are just not me ! why is that ?
I dont go after looks ( obviously ) but I do like the gym ( not bunny ) or sports look. I really like guys who are stocky like the footy players or the guys you see at the gym who are naturally solid boys but not overweight.
But as I am the slim line version ie 5'9" and 65kg I just dont attract them what I do attract just does nothing for me and wont say who so I dont offend those types

My "sad" comment was about my own feelings for those who don't measure up on the conventional body/cock/age scale, rather than a criticism of anyone who has a preference for a certain type. It's partly self-directed, as I'm at the less desirable end of the body/cock/age spectrum on all counts.

I acknowledge that fundamentally we are driven by primary biological urges and that gets expressed via what characteristics attract us, so it would be foolish to ignore that reality. If all you are after is a shag, then yeah. I was just expressing a hope/wish/desire that we are each much more than that.

But, society seems to create an ideal for what is desirable and those that don't meet it are dismissed to varying degrees: which creates a strong incentive to at least appear to meet the ideal; hence the bending of the truth in adverts, or going to great lengths to mould ourselves into what we think others will find attractive.

It's curious that history valued the voluptuous woman, yet today what is held up as the model of attraction in hetero circles is very different, so culture obviously has a major influence too on what we find desirable. I wonder how much of what we think we find attractive is a result of subliminal conditioning that goes unchallenged. I mean Gaydar for instance has an emphasis on youth in the images they present on their entry web page: it's very attractive as who doesn't want to be young; but it leaves the impression that is all that is important (or desirable) and, let's face it, aging is a reality (which we don't want to face), but just one of many. There's evidence that junk food advertising influences our decisions, for example.

I would really be interested how attitudes might change if there were personals sites that weren't so sex or youth focussed, but explored more of the whole person. Unfortunately, sex sells.

Well you can forget about the internet then as sex sells and it would be a very game company who started up one without sex.

To find someone with like interests wouldnt you be better off finding a group that actually meets ? whether
it be astronomy/stamp collecting/trekking/car racing etc ? and hope you find someone that way ?

The net is totally soulless but the main thing the net will never be able to get across is chemistry.

Chemistry is what makes things work and no matter how good someone looks in their pics or how big their cock , if the chemistry is not there then usually its a once only meet up and thats it or a few meets before it fizzles. Thats why I gave it up. I had quite a few hook ups via the net and 90% there was no chemistry. The other 10% there was something there but they were not wanting anything more than a root or with the 1% that I really clicked with , "things" started to come out over the next few meets which just were not me eg one wanted to wear "frilly" things not me I'm afraid but he had the best cock ! another wanted it all his way eg he only wanted to fuck me and wanted me to suck to completion. Hello what will you do to me ? Another was a young guy who just ended up being a total bottom and did nothing but get undressed and just flop onto the bed with butt in the air and also gave nothing back. Then of course there are the weirdo's , those I felt just could not accept their sexuality eg I'm Bi or I've got a g/f or
I'm married. Most gay guys dream to score a "straight" guy but the majority where f***ed in the head about themselves and rarely was sex a two way thing they just lay there like starfish. And then it came down to the email abusers and teasers who just sit at the keyboards tugging away over an email. Those were the sad ones.

So I cancelled all my profiles. Went back to either cruising some beaches near me on the south coast or going to Sauna's when in Sydney. That way chemistry came into play. You made eye contact with those you like, they either look away or they make eye contact with you.
All over and done with in a morning or an afternoon and none of the fucking around with the net sites.

So if it means less sex than what I was getting via the net so be it. The stress/anxiety I got from the net from constantly checking my emails all the time, to waiting on them to arrive etc and that can be days worth of emailing etc to finally hooking up is just not worth it.

I have been thinking of looking around for a like minded group that have similar interests and going along to see whats there but havent done anything just yet. My week is stress free as no emails and my weekends are quite relaxing with a book, sunbaking and seeing if anyone is up for a play or when in Sydney for work , just heading to the tubs after work and so far, touch wood, have been in and out so to speak within 2 hours and have left very happy.

How about joining a club for something that interests you ?

I have given up on the net as there is one thing that it cannot get across and that is CHEMISTRY.

It makes no difference how the person describes their bods/cocks/looks or how they look in their pics.

Like most I have taken or wasted days lining up a meeting only to find that if the person didnt lie about themselves there is just no chemistry between us.

So I have started trialling the sex clubs/saunas as you make eye contact with someone, they make eye contact with you and keep it or they look away. All over and done with in seconds and off you go to a quiet place and get it on. No 10's of emails, hours/days wasted.

Unfortunately 99% of those sites are sex orientated as to be honest it is part of what drives us

I'm with you mate. These internet sites are such a waste of time. Ad a minimum of 5 years to how old they say, take their photos at face value - cause when you meet up with them they look nothing like the photo or their description. And as you say if there is no chemistry it is a big waste of time. Saunas and sex clubs are so much better - plus they give you something to do until you hook up with the right guy. 357, Bodyline, Headquarters here I come. Is Ken's still a viable option? Have heard it has quitened down there.

Well my take on the sauna's has been

King Steam - older crowd with some younger guys only into the older guys so frustrating ( as I am not old nor young ). When I have been there average 20 or so guys.


Ken's - mixed crowd but as you say quiet'ish . When there on average 20 or so guys.

Bodyline - never been game as told its the young Oxford St pretty boys with attitude ? but correct me nicely if I am wrong

357 - lots of Asians with lots of guys after the Asians so can be very frustrating ( and no offence to anyone ) as you see someone you like and they dont even give you a second look but on average anywhere from say 40-60 guys there and I have always managed to score 1 or 2 and be gone within 2 hours.

No endless emails, stories, promises and days wasted hooking up with someone that sounds good and turns out no chemistry. I have friends who have hooked up with guys they have chemistry with etc but even they say it took a lot of doing and in the end they just said the net just took up way too much time and that the sauna's or massages or escorts where the way to go.

And sorry about my 2 posts. I thought the 1st one might have been too explicit for Panther to allow as it took awhile for it appear so put in 2nd post watered down

Thanks for the suggestions, but groups are difficult for me as I'm SP (Social Phobic).

I prefer to develop an interaction with others online, based on shared interests, progress to "presence" interaction and hopefully a friendship. If there is mutual chemistry, then maybe something more intimate could develop. I must be really weird, because sex isn't top of my priority list. Unfortunately (for me), most guys have the process completely reversed in that they want sex->chemistry->friendship and if you can't accommodate, then they are out of there ASAP.

Maybe it's because most of the sites are commercial (and therefore sex orientated, since sex sells), that they have become simply ways to get a shag and have lost any effectiveness as a way for like minded individuals (in a broad sense) to get in contact on a more 1-1 basis and develop an interaction (whatever that may be, sex being only one possibility).

Consequently, if one is simply looking for sex, then an extended email interaction can be frustrating, but if one is looking for the development of a friendship first, then extended "getting to know you" approaches are very appropriate. Sure you can't convey chemistry online, but you can learn a lot about someone in an extended communication. The more you communicate, the more the real person will be revealed anyway.

I wonder if it is possible that many of those who are berated as time wasters are in fact looking for more than just sex, but only have the sex orientated sites available and then think they have to bend the truth to even be acceptable there.

It's a difficult thing to admit in public that you aren't that interested in an anonymous shag and/or have health issues and/or have body/cock/age issues and still be considered a worthwhile gay man. I can sure understand someone bending the truth on Gaydar, for example, just to get a foot in the door: it's ultimately destructive, but I can understand why it can happen.

me too
watch out for me just before erskineville train station
i luv to flash in my jockstrap!

Hmmmmmmmmm

I have to disagree with you to a point but respect your view but glad you do you realise you are in the minority of the order you want things

For me its the shag first. A dud root is a dud root and no amount of chemistry is going to fix that and no amount of training is going to make them better unless they are 18 of course but i prefer guys late 20's early 30's and if they havent got it right by then !
well its bye bye.

To me the way you are going you would end up with more friends ? ie lots in common but thats as far as it goes. Of course all it takes is for 1 person to be Mr Right.

I think you can learn to like the others persons passions/hobbies within reason etc but have always found amongst my friends that if someone is no good in the sack then eventually they start to wonder eg someone who wont be the bottom or wont suck. You put up with it for awhile but eventually you just need that bottom or that mouth and so you wonder. I have friends who have been so called partners for years but get the sex elsewhere. To me they are just good friends, they have similar things they like to do together but when it comes to the bedroom they are total opposites. Took about 3 years or so for them to sexually start to wonder.

Believe me those people who get berated for being time wasters are just that. I have never had emails trying to work out my likes/dislikes etc they just want more pics or stories etc or wont take no for an answer. I had to cancel 2 email addresses because of time wasters constantly contacting me.

I'm sure you will get there but it may take some time.

The simple solution to meeting guys is get off your arses and be available.
Go to a gay bar(yes I know its more popular to knock than respect these places) and go out in public.
We can all sit back and perve at hotties on the screen and dream or we can do something about it.
keep yourself healthy and clean.Not many of us will give a second glance to a guy that looks like a street urchin.
Remember that you are responsible for personal traits that can be changed, so change them and make yourself more attractive.Get over the "plastic people" bull we hear all the time.Get over fear of rejection,without trying how can you gain?

Sigh.

Guys spilling their guts, others posting their problems and along comes Troy and says all you have got to do is clean yourself up and get to a gay bar.

Well Troy if you took the time to read the posts correctly you would see one guy is a social phobic and how do you know that the rest of us are all in Sydney ?
and whats with the clean yourself up comment ? you think guys sitting at home look like urchins ? I would have thought more of a chance of coming across a street urchin on Oxford St ? you think we are all blobs ? dont shower ?

Your posting lost all credibility with all those comments.

So please remember some people are not as out going as you are and have problems with crowds and/or dont live in Sydney or live so far out in the burbs its hard to get to a gay bar and one last thing Troy , the world does not revolve around gay bars ! shock horror !

The only thing worst than a homophobe is a gay homophobe.
I don't live in Sydney I live 2 hrs out of Perth yet I can make an effort to occasionally head up to the court or Connie's.I don't go every night of the week.I probably go every few months.I am not out to the whole world only a few close friends .
As I said before if you don't make an effort you only have yourself to blame.
As for my comments on being clean and presenting yourself well it wasn't directed personally at you, It was a mere suggestion for guys to improve themselves.

Your post still does not make sense ?

who is a gay homophobe ?

Never took the suggestion about being not clean myself but take exception you think the posters here saying they are having problems meeting people are the ones that need to clean themselves up.

If you dont make an effort ? again go back and read the posts and read what difficulties some guys are having. It is not a case of have a shave and shower and drive to the nearest gay bar. You just dont seem to understand there is some more deeper problems in life.

I live 6 hours from Brisbane and 9 hours from Sydney (minimum driving times). I live in a town where people who are known to be gay are the subject of homophobic gossip.

I recounted once before how, when I was in a pub, a guy sitting down with his mates noticed that my right ear was pierced. He came up, without even asking, and took hold of my head to turn it far enough to see that there were piercings in the left ear as well.

As for taking a shower, is it November already?

Oh Troy

if only it was that easy.

One day you will hopefully understand that it just not that easy for some.

I have offered suggestions which seem to not be applicable ...........

Please tell me(or us) what other obstacles to finding a relationship and perhaps we can work on some solutions

Well Troy if you read -

- Sat 29 Mar 2008 17:15:52

then you will see someone with problems and realise why your post got such a reaction ie its not as easy as having a shower and getting yourself to the nearest gay bar.

So over to you ?

Well, my comments about my own issues sure seemed to generate some controversy.

Whilst I thank Troy et al for their suggestions, it's my battle and I'm not looking for solutions, no matter how well meaning. The fact is, unless you really understand what someone else is going through (ie walking in their shoes), you can't offer a solution anyway: all you can do is support that person in them finding their own path. And I don't need to be "fixed" so I can be shoehorned into someone elses idea of how a gay man should be.

I posted my original comments to highlight that some of us face unique challenges as gay men: we don't all want (or are capable of) the same thing, yet we all deserve to have what we want respected and not marginalised or modified.

Speaking for myself, I would welcome more avenues for contacting like-minded men that do not rely on groups or the shag first mentality. I fully respect those whose primary focus is a shag, but you're already fully accommodated by the current contact sites, venues and status quo.

No offence was meant by my signing off with " Solutions".

Will sign off and not respond anymore.

Lol..... really you are taking my comments too far from how they were intended.
Seriously now
If anyone has "issues" on meeting people and forming relationships it does not reflect on them in anyway if they seek counselling or professional help.These services are out there and available to everyone all over Australia.
Everyone deserves happiness so take the step

GoodLuck/Solutions: no offence taken by signing off with Solutions, so please don't take your toy and leave on my account, since posting different perspectives is a healthy thing.

If anyone really wishes to help, they could do so by alerting me to any avenues I may have overlooked, that would facilitate communication with other men (in a non-group environment) whose priority is not a shag. Unfortunately Gaydar and the like seem to be orientated around sex.

In answer to Troy: been there, done that, have the t-shirt with professional help; but it's difficult to avoid feeling somehow defective in seeking professional assistance, when it's simply in my nature to want something different to the norm (maybe in a similar way to how homosexuality was viewed by the heterosexual majority until recently: as a sickness in need of treatment).

I want sex with all of you. Any takers ?

Whats your stat's?
and r u top bottom or vers????

Cyber orgy, anyone?

Hoping to find someone who wanted the kind of relationship that I wanted, three years ago I put my profile on Yahoo personals with a photo. Using Yahoo messenger to chat, it worked in one week and I breathed a sigh of relief when I could remove my profile from Yahoo. Perhaps we were just lucky but it is worth trying.

Our relationship is based on many of the concepts from the site www.g0ys.org

Nope

I prefer to taste it

and feel it

I met this guy at a gay sauna here some years back. We started dating for a few months. Then I moved into his place . One day, months later, he suddenly told me, with his head bowed down looking at the floor of the bedroom we've been sharing the past few months, "Dear, I am HIV + and I am afraid you will leave me." I hugged him hard and told him, "I love you and will never leave you." Just to give you guys a different perspective.

Thanks, this needed to be said here. Lots of men are in loving relationships like yours but you don't often hear about them on Pinkboard. Sites like the one above have grown up because of the unhealthy lifestyle of some morons who are ruining our public image.

I didn't get past the screed on the front page of this site. It was very confused and confusing in what it was saying. Especially with that stereotypically gay male right in the middle of the words you were meant to read.

I'd have cut his throat for not telling me and exposing me to HIV.

Now if he had told me on that first meet or within a few days etc before the relationship got going and I accepted his status then that would be my choice.

I'm sure my comment will get me slagged but I have many friends who are HIV and have had sex with guys I know are HIV but this hiding and not telling someone just gets me.

Actually he did not say that the guy he loves knew when they first met about having been exposed to HIV or that he had ever exposed him to HIV. I think this message is about true love.

That g0ys.org site is bit confusing. It look as though it was put together by many people.

I have not checked it all but found the section under the heading The ‘Scene’, second from the bottom of the Contents list, to be a pretty accurate assessment of the Sydney scene as I see it. Some stories under the heading, Literature, are worth reading.

The story is incomplete so no judgements, social or moral, can be made. There is no reference to unsafe sex, there is no reference as to whether the HIV+ person was always +, or suddenly learned it. There is no statement by the poster as to whether he was now HIV+ as a result of the relationship.

I suggest accepting the statement that he made, and let it stand with the same strength as the relationship it demonstrates.

Good for you Real Solutions: Yahoo personals sounds worth trying.

Thanks for the link to the www.g0ys.org site: it's interesting, albeit complex and confusing. Though I'm somewhat ambivalent about the message being promoted: the overall impression I received was that of another type of gay-bashing (of those who do not meet the masculine ideal being promoted) with religious justification.

I quite like their concept of the development of a deep man-man emotional bond, and fully agree with permitting men to express their affection for other men, but they lost me by disparaging those who don't fit with their model.

I especially don't understand their hatred for men who engage in anal stimulation, or those who feel the need to explore "feminine" behaviour. If they wanted to raise the profile and acceptance of man-man affection, then I don't think equating certain practices of mutually consenting adults as evil, so that they can "shine" in comparison, is the right way to do that.

I can understand their frustration at society's very narrow view of how men should be, but surely it's time we became more inclusive of the spectrum of human behaviour (including man-man affection), rather than creating a new category and demolishing all others.

Maybe I just didn't understand the site at all.

I thought the goyz org site was stupid.

All these so called men not wanting to accept that are
GAY . That anything femine or anal stimulation is just for the girly/gay ones.

They go on about man-man emotional bonds but all they are doing is creating another layer/stereo type for themselves. Good on them but to me they just cannot accept the word Gay or homosexual.

No matter what label you want to put on it, having sex with another guy is homosexuality. Period.

I used to visit sites to have hook ups and so many call themself straight or manly and dont want any of that kissing or cuddling stuff but I can guarantee you 9/10 were total bottoms and their ads often said " no gay guys" hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa . To me absolute freaks in complete denial of what they truly are. Each to his own of course but I reckon they need some therapy.

I know its easy for those of us totally comfortable with our sexuality and I think most guys have a manly and feminine side to them. I've seen the butchest numbers let rip with a girly scream thereby rendering them as not manly.

Only this weekend I cancelled all profiles on those sites and will just pursue gay guys only. The thought of scoring a "straight" guy has been erased from my mind. The majority of them just turned out to be starfish or just plain dud roots. A gay guy will state what they are into/not into and no mind games ( usually ).

I wholeheartedly agree
gay guys are the best
I have no time for the macho- straight acting in denial fruit loop either...

A lot of us do get stuck in that loop ie converting a "straight" guy.

I know I am speaking generally but I kept a list of those I had had and over the 2 years of those sites I hooked up with close to 90

Of those I composed another list of "would have them again" and there was about 6 on it. I also had a file with "never again" and a few got onto that as well.

But what my "survey" found was the majority were bottoms say around 80%. Quite a few were nothing more than starfish. 1 was an escort ( I had seen his ad )so got that for free and he was on my have them again list.
I got 100's more emails from total freaks/weirdos/time
wasters. This happened more towards the end of this period. 2 years ago there didnt seem to be any mucking around. They emailed and you hooked up.

I had some freaks turn up that would say " cant do this or cant do that" completely different from what they said in their emails. Another I think I scored in his early discovering himself days who just wanted to suck and be humilated.

Now my ad or the ads I replied to stated just "straight or bi guys". I got quite a few gay guys still answering and most of this were decent sex hence by the end of it all I just came to the realisation that a lot of the so called straight/bi guys seem to have issues about themselves and their sexuality and it just did not make for good sex.

But above all the one thing that you cannot get from all these sites was chemistry as someone else said. I clicked with about 6 of the guys in total.

I did not visit the usual gay sites like gaydar etc . They were all those other sites aimed at all sexualities.

But the last 6-8 months its been a complete waste of time with hideous guys wasting your time or as soon as you set up date/time they get angry or reply "cant do it". So I just cancelled the whole lot and on Sunday went to the Sauna. Was in and out so to speak in 2 hours completely happy with what I got and no stressing no time
wasting sitting at home on the net. I got out into the City and had a nice walk back home.

Well that was my experience with sites but its goodbye from me now.

This g0ys site obviously accepts that sex between men is homosexual so it cannot be called homophobic.

I understand some men wishing to distance themselves from the loose sexual behaviour and lifestyle that has come to be associated with gays and also labels such as gay, straight, top and bottom. Those who make a career of being gay are themselves making it harder for society to be more inclusive.

Personally, I have no need for the g0ys religious content but I respect those who do. I do not share a disparaging attitude towards effeminate men, if this is indeed something they support and I would avoid any cult-like adherence to one style of safe, private sexual expression.

The guy who first mentioned the g0ys site said his relationship was based on many of the concepts from the site. When we read about any ideas or opinions we are free to accept some and reject others. Overall, I can relate to much of this site myself.

Agree TG

but not on the point about labels. All these goyz are doing is making up a new name for the still one basic thing and that is sex between 2 men is homosexuality.

No amount of labelling can change what the meaning of homosexuality is.

I'm glad one poster got something out of the site but to me it just came across as guys being in total denial of being homosexual. We all know that there are extremes in society/sexualities and they dont want anything to do that is feminine etc but what next ? a site for straights who dont want to be related in anyway to a Bogan or a snob or a Corey ?

I tried reading that site but just read this -

http://www.g0ys.org/initialize.htm

Under heading of Manifestations -

I'm sorry but they are nothing but guys in total denial. Look at what they say about penetration ! each to is own as others have said but this just reads to me as a bunch of Religous guys who want sex with men and trying to make out that what they do is more acceptable to god.

I wouldnt want to hook up with someone from this site. They'd be too farked in the head.

If interested there is an Aussie g0ys group for those in total denial. Probably not a hook up site. To each his own.

Ugh no thanks !

They say no anal ( not that its compulsory with me ) but what do they think of kissing ? wouldnt that be too intimate for them ? I just couldnt be bothered reading through the idiotic site.

Reminds me of my first experiences ie just wanking and watching each other or maybe wanking each other off and nothing else but was about 14 then ! and have since experienced many other forms of pleasure they consider to be not manly !

I'm always dubious of people who throw up statistics / reports/ various studies as to why they are correct in their thinking/actions etc.

Goy? Goy? And I always thought it was a Hebrew word for anybody not Jewish...oi vey!

No, goy is a different word and it is not spelled the same way.

This symbol is g0y (has a zero in the middle) and represents a new movement that has been growing for three or four years now.

hi, i'm after some, err, advice. i want to improve my blow job-giving techniques and i guess this is as good a place as any to ask other ppl's thoughts. i just feel like the blow jobs i give are...boring. and i don't know whether i create enough suction or not.

it's not exactly like i can ask for feedback on this from my casual partners...but i think part of the problem for me is, i don't find it immediately enjoyable giving blow jobs, so i worry i don't give pleasure to my partners.

any suggestions?

i live in the zenix at sydney park and i flash to the park all the time! more nudity in newtown, erskineville and st peters please!

Is Stephen Quatermain, the channel 10 presenter gay?

Its different for everyone unfortunately and I think you have to judge how hard the cock gets in yr mouth or if it starts to go soft.

For me when getting one I like a guy to go tip to base with good suction/use of the tongue. As I blow I hate it when guys just deep throat you and stop all movement and so many do this. For me I still need the sliding movement up and down the shaft.

Now if yr onto a big one ( correct me if I'm wrong ) but it seems to me most like you to concentrate on the head and first few inches of the shaft with the occassional deep throat ? trying to deep throat it all with yr lips way down the shaft just doesnt give as good a feeling as just doing the head and shaft ?

and it comes with practice. But definately has to be combination of lips/tongue/good suction

Only recently I met the perfect cock ( for me ) slightly bullet shaped, thick but not too thick, cut, 9". I had never deliberately completely sucked someone off but this was just perfection staring me in the face and when he said he was coming I concentrated on the head and few few inches of the shaft and the guy almost screamed with ecstasy true ! he actually looked at me with this bewildered look. So got up of my knees and skipped on my home knowing my technique worked just fine hahahahaha

and that is a true story.

Please

dont anyone answer this.

Its his personal business.

According to Wikipedia he is married. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Quartermain

Isnt everyman gay?
esp after a few middies...

ok, this is the question. how do you give good suction??

come over and I'll demonstrate

thats about the only way can show you. No way could you put that art into words

heh, tempted to take you up on that offer

if only could trade nbrs without the whole board seeing them !

oh well

I have put an ad in the personals so you can email me
and can discuss more privately for you if you like.
Please only the poster email me please

There is ONLY 150 days to Sleaze Ball.

There is ONLY 150 days to Sleaze Ball.

That is five months away countdownboy - I can't wait!!!!

I can.

Today I went into the city and popped into the public toilet to have a leak as you do when I noticed some groaning coming from the cubicle.
Curiosity of course got the better of me so I peeked through the crack(of the door) and saw two guys going for it.Naturally I was bought on by it and had to take the situation in hand.All was going well till they opened up the door the guy doing pulled out of the other cumming in the process.I lost my erection straight away cause for some reason them having unsafe sex really turned me off(the guy getting done also had a wedding ring on).The guy then signalled me to jump aboard but all i could do was flee...anyone else had this type of reaction?

Well not in a public toilet.

but a number of times have been to a Sauna and come across 2 guys going at it, they pull me in for a 3some etc and then I have looked down to watch the other guy copping it and yep , no condom. I dont flee but I dont do any screwing etc. Usually its the guy copping it who wants to suck so I let him.

Over the years have seen this reckless behaviour and yes have seen either the wedding ring or worse still a childs seat in the car !

I think the trouble today is that not many die of AIDS like back in the 80's/90's. I never got f*cked for 16 years after losing a lot of my best friends/work mates and vowed never to cop it till there was a cure and I hate condoms. Recently though have gone back to copping it about once or twice a year ! Anyway as there is not much news on people dying of AIDS anymore and we do read about all the new drugs almost getting to the point where its nearly a manageable disease, I think there are those that just toss caution to the wind. I had a friend who hooked up with the horniest 20yr old and went bareback with him and he said he forgot how good it felt without condoms etc. Felt bad about it later and went and got checked and caught the clap ! fortunately nothing else.

hi, just letting you know i responded to your ad

Didnt receive a response ?

Hmm, not sure what happened. Just tried to message again.

"An HIV-positive man convicted of spitting into the eye and open mouth of a Dallas police officer has been sentenced to 35 years in prison.
Willie Campbell must serve at least half that time because jurors ruled the 42-year-old used his infected saliva as a deadly weapon.
Dan Waller, a Dallas police officer, testified that he was trying to arrest Campbell for public intoxication in 2006 when he was spat at."
http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-tales/man-with-hiv-jailed-for-35-years-for-spitting-at-cop/2008/05/16/1210765106211.html

Interesting!

Hi there! can anyone please tell me a good place in sydney where i can get some body waxing done? Thanks

i got to www.mensbeautyroom.com for my waxing best i have been to so far

Absolutely ridiculous! Saliva isn't a transmitter of HIV. Next people will be arrested for sitting on a publictoilet seat because it's seen as "malicious harm"!

Someone asked me if I know a brother-on-brother site.

Well, it's your lucky day. This is the best one I know:

http://abrotherlylove.com

Enjoy.

What are peoples views on the current Bill Henson debate?

As a gay man I feel that I’m a bit more realistic about the difference between art and pornography (I’m a fan of both by the way

Personally I don't see these photos as being offensive and I consider it as being acceptable for a respected artist to document the sexuality of adolescents, so long as the model firstly and secondly their parents have the right of veto. At the same time i absolutely reject paedophilia. It is never fair for anyone to be not be comfortable with how they are used for whatever reason.

I can understand the comments about not it not being ok to associate sexuality with adolescence but by the same token this is when all of us wrestle with this aspect of our lives (not just gay people). As long as it is done appropriately and sensitively it should be ok to document and express it in word, picture or performance.

I have had a week of frustrating debates justifying my thoughts at work and am starting to believe I’m am an out of touch freak.

What do you think?

Not having read this book I am not recommending it. I just want to get people thinking about some ideas that have been circulating long before it was published.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Malebranche

http://www.jackmalebranche.com/hub/index.php/androphilia

Looks interesting. The Bookshop are getting a couple of copies in so I have put my name down for one.

The Wikipedia article led to a rather bizzare link-a-thon that took me on a journey to learn about the "boy love" relationships of all sorts of famous people.

Sounds like crap to me.

Same as that G0yz website.

Seems like the author based everything solely on something like the Mardi Gras as it can be overloaded with gayness but thats it as far as I am concerned.

Just from the brief on the book I dont agree with

" slaves to the feminist pipe dream "

" read" anti-male, pro-female "

" championing a masculine ideal "

well for me and for all of my friends, we hang out with 99% males, none of us are feminine or carry on like that, I particularly am into masculine men not feminine men.

Like all sexualities there are extremes of personalities and this author seems to have only ever hung out with the more feminine types ( and no offence to anyone on
this ).

Maybe we should invite the author to Inquisition .

Anyway I wont be buying the crap.

The worst part about this debate is that I actually forgot we had a NEW pm. I saw a small-minded judgemental pandering to the "moralist" attitude in our new PM which is so reminiscent of the old one.

It's quite sad.

I don't understand why nakedness is always linked with sexuality. There are plenty of non-nude photos of young girls in magazines aimed at men that I would consider to be pornographic.

Have to disagree with you and the other poster.

They are children aged around 12 or so. They are not capable of making an informed decision and I dont think their parents have the rights to put them in that situation either. Everyone has the right to choose what they do with their life and until they are old enough to make an informed decision of their own then their should be a law limiting this kind of activity.

As for mens magazines portraying young girls .....sure that happens but not or rarely with a 12 year old.

Unfortunately nudity is associated with sexuality. If a person had those pics and was selling them or had them on their computer they could be hauled up by the police.

Their is a line in that regards and you cannot charge people with having child pornography but then claim art is an expression etc.......... otherwise the next person pulled up with these pics could use the artists reasoning to try to get off. Watch and I reckon their is a good chance someone will try.

I dont agree with parents who put their kids in those hideous contests.

You only get 1 childhood and children should be left to enjoy it and not thrown into the spotlight. I almost gag when I see those kids in the US all dolled up like adults but they are only 6 or so. I'd jail those parents.

So you have to balance the pics of Henson against what is considered child porno by others and the line was crossed.

I believe that at age 12 a person is able to make an informed decision. They are (or should be) able to understand the consequences of their actions.

Bill Henson is a famous artist. I understand that he has been showing similar photos for years. You can't suddenly change the rules without notice. I hope he is found innocent.

I thought I heard the Censor Board gave the photos a G rating and hence police will not have a case against him. Photo's were taken in an artistic mode and not shot in a pornographic way at all.

View them as they are 'ART' don't cloud the issue with narrow minded religious right thinking. God this country is receding back to the conservative days of he 40's, 50's & 60's.

And yet today there are way more weirdo's/pedo's and every week it seems you are reading about children having to be taken to/from school by their parents.

So are these types if images to blame ? you cant exclude them thats for sure.

As for the poster saying a 12 year old can make in informed decision. Where do you work ? you are out of touch if you believe that. From around 12-16 maturity varies hugely in children. Thats why there is an age of consent at 16.

View them as Art ? so typical thinking of the art world to think they are exempt from..............wait for it...
the law. And thats where the photos are wrong. You cannot have 1 law for pedo's and another law for Art.

So what you have to base this all on is the current laws.

Personally, I do not agree with children being viewed like this. While you may view it as Art , others will not.

And dont assume I am narrow minded religious right person.
Far from it my friend. So far actually your comment made me laugh.

Many parents have photos of their own babies-to-toddlers in the bath tub where everything happens to be on show, and apart from